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Post by crf26 on Mar 19, 2007 19:34:26 GMT -6
we might have to get some bagger racing stickers for scotty?
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Post by a1000rr on Mar 19, 2007 23:23:56 GMT -6
oh yeah well they were riding like they were young
man they were faster then i thought they were
so if the vet class is the over 30 class now how do they compair to the other classes
ok let me say it like this
by the speed not the age or the bike what is the slow classes and go from there please let me know so i can judge what class i need to run i have been told the novice class is the same as the vet class but they are not old enough to run in the vet classes
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Post by Blazing MX on Mar 19, 2007 23:28:51 GMT -6
i have been told the novice class is the same as the vet class but they are not old enough to run in the vet classes The main difference is that the vet guys get tired
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Post by rrodak on Mar 20, 2007 16:58:04 GMT -6
no lie jeff. after stalling in the first moto and playing catch up and ridding way over my head i had nothing left after the second lap of the second moto. with the rain and your track work the track was great. see you vet guys next month randy
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Post by a1000rr on Mar 21, 2007 0:28:25 GMT -6
sooooooooo witch classes are the faster ones can any one give me an order of the slowest to the fastest and if you have to move up what is the order
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Post by rangerbo on Mar 21, 2007 6:16:03 GMT -6
Hey Guys...well...fellow Ole guys (Like Me!(40+)) I have been thinking about this reclass for the vet classes....Sorry I missed the last race....I have been getting injections in my spine to delay the surgery the Army will eventually do to an ole broken back/ex-parachutist heavy back-packing sneak-an-peak Ranger Type....its just if they do surgery now...it will cause me an early out and not get retirement benifits...anyways....I dont think the age should drop bellow 30....from what I seen and what I heard about the last showing....the gates were FULL for the Vet Class anyways. Plus we have to think about the slow times. Vet A and Vet B (for slow times, starting @ 30+)....will have to combine during slow times. if you do go by age groups and ages (for good showings)......maybe like this 30+ A 30+ B 40+ A 40+ B Then Maybe a Vet Open... for the not so Throttle/Pain Challanged and that could enclude maybe the all ages starting from 25+ (for those who have Pain meds working good that Day and feel a lil enduranced/sustainment faster) It is a possibility....we are not getting younger and it does seem like we are getting an increased showing from the geratol generation. I only say these possibilities because this is an age group....or classes that alot of us use because of Army or work related or even past motorcycle injuries and can't afford the another injury due to Risk factor vs $$$ vs the saying; young guys only know one thing.........PIN IT! (No insault intended to anyone....but I can say that....I have lived my life that way!...so I know...Pin It! LOL) Well thats my 2 cents....I hope it helps. I only have one more injection and hope to be out there next race....but I will be up-armoured when it comes to padding and gear! LOL Plus I was thinking about buying those curb feeler gages putting them on the axles for when someone gets too cloose.....alarm will go off and I can pull over and take a toke of oxygen untill the alarm turns off!
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Post by rangerbo on Mar 21, 2007 7:19:09 GMT -6
Oh....I forgot to add......30+......get trophy......40+ and Vet Open....thats the directors call on trophy.......If you guys are like me and have a wife like mine and is a Household Drill Seargant....I'll have no place alowed to put a trophy anyways! (Just messing Hun! <---looks the couch for me He He) But yes on entry fees....our club could always use the money. Bo....out
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Post by twoplus on Mar 21, 2007 10:17:18 GMT -6
I can see your point Bo, I personally would like to see some of the 25 year old guys running with us. I was wanting to see a 25+ then jump straight to a 40+ and do away with the 30+ or 35+. I think you came up with a great solution, the Vet Open. I like the idea of changing up the Vet classes. Then, if Bagger Racing is feeling froggy the can run Vet Open.
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Post by rdenney100 on Mar 21, 2007 17:49:50 GMT -6
i have a question also.
the 25, 35, 45, and 55+ classes are a good idea in my opinion.
my question is this: if we classify A, B, C, i think the A vets should be eligible for money. that's always been my opinion for the " A " class. that's what all tracks do. also in reference to " A " classification. this has and will continue to create problems for guys like jason rich, andy, and whoever else rides A. if they go to a track and run intermediate and do well(like they generally do), i guarantee you that someone will want to protest them because they ran " A " at waco. it's happened before. someone rode " B " at waco, and raced beginner at whitney (which was sadly correct) and got protested. i had to explain to tony miller at the next race(freestone owner) that the waco eagles classes are not on the same level as the other tracks. with respect to the aforementioned, not to mention to simplify the classes at waco, maybe we should sit down and come up with a new idea that the majority agrees on and vote on it at a later meeting. perhaps do the 25, 35, 45 , and 55 thing, but instead of A, B, C, D, do 125 (16-24), 250 (16-24) and still have an open class for whoever wants to ride another class. of course i'm talking only about the big bike classes. and for the guys who are really just getting in to racing have a 16-24 beginner( any size bike) and 25+ beginner (any size bike). that way it's easier to keep up with guys who "sand bag".
oh yea, i heard a few people say that i sandbagged in the vet class this past weekend. like other riders posted before me. i'm not 20 anymore. i'm 36 and don't have anything to prove riding with the young, fearless kids. not to mention i haven't had a real race bike since 2001. the kx450 doesn't count because that thing handled like a turd pullin' a chuckwagon. waaaay undersprung for my big ol' a--!!! lol
respectfully, rick denney
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Post by rangerbo on Mar 21, 2007 19:40:52 GMT -6
I have honestly done some thinking in this matter when I came up with the classes that I did.....we have to consider 1) That we are at Waco Eagles Motocycle Club....More Family orientated. So honestly even as a Vet classer myself who doesn't ride too shabby....Its my opinion....but I think the Vet class here at WEC is more friendly Race fun rather than the Normal High breakneck competetiveness as in other race tracks. 2) we have to think ease of consistant known classes with out having monthly class changes (It will help with rider class sustainment and overall constant monies for our club) Like I said earlier...being stuck in a young class with younger riders who have less fear of injury and the possible effect on a careers ("Pin It at all cost attitude"...or take the line from an oponent going up a lip...or take him out and ride him off a berm attitude) I believe that rubbing is racing....but to a certain point...specially at our age and considering families and careers. 3) Considering vet "A" class....I honestly dont think WEC has the monies to hand out.....specially for Vet Riders. I know I said A & B classes....but in this case...I was only trying to generalize/simplify our selection.....because honestly the turn outs for WEC Vet classes are not normally as large as they have been latly. (which is really cool!) I still think.....when its slow....I support the simple.....Vet A & Vet B.....in WEC Definition.... Vet B....Your Old...or Older then most...want to relax and have fun in a race atmosphere...range from an old beginner to a guy that can jump saftly....and make your way through the whoops....... Vet A....you are over the 30 years of Age....you want to ride in a safer atmosphere....used to be a High Novice to Intermediate to expert and can scrub on jumps.....completely blitz the whoops...ETC ETC. That was always my definition of the present Vet classes. But to fix the 25+ year old guys who want to be safer....have suffered an injury....have careers to worry about.....and at the same time for the older guys (30+) who are feelin froggy and want to reach down and grab a handful of testerone......then there is the Vet Open....which would satisfy all.
30+ A 30+ B 40+ A 40+ B Then Maybe a Vet Open...
But with the age groups I picked....if we start seperating then too much.....even with the recent high turn outs for Vet class...well.....we must think simplicity for the race directors and help....they can only do so much, besides I doupt that we would have full classes with out going back to combining classes again. I think....the classes are good....picture a 25 to Infinity....."Vet Open" 30+........covers 30 to 39....in the "A or B"(as previously described) then 40+....because I know we have some 50 year old gentleman who still want a lil competetiveness with the younger 40 year guys.....but 30+ might be more than desired. Well that is my best definition of why I picked what I did and I hope I did not upset anyone. That was not my intention at all. As for the sandbagging part Rick....I wasn't at the last race....but honestly like I said for the Vet class......I would say to you and at your Age...and as long as you entered the Vet A.....Great job.....you did awesome....I'd pat you on the back....and possibly buy you a beer. Maybe after I got to know you better..... talk a lil smack jokingly....and say.....you sand bagger! LOL I hope this helps.....You guys Rock.....Waco Eagle Members Bo
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Post by crf26 on Mar 21, 2007 19:41:05 GMT -6
I think you ran good,besides age, there is no sandbagging in vet a class.
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Post by Jason812 on Mar 22, 2007 15:58:02 GMT -6
I like the idea of a Vet Open. I don't want to run in the Vet class because I think I can win. Mike Haynes has 22 years on me and would probably wax my behind. It's like Bo said, I just want a safer (oxymoron) racing environment. I'll be there in April as long as 5 Magics doesn't get postponed this weekend.
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Post by rdenney100 on Mar 22, 2007 17:29:07 GMT -6
yz 26,
yea, that's what i thought too. how can you sandbag an age class? thanks for the compliment, much appreciated.
and to the ones calling me out as far as sandbagging. i'm not upset and i'm not re-calling you out. i'm to old for trouble. it just kinda rubbed me the wrong just thinking that someone would think i was a cheater. i can honestly say i've never cheated in any way. exceeeeept on old girlyfriends. don't do that anymore though. that karma thing hurts.
thanks again 26! rick denney
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Post by Blazing MX on Mar 22, 2007 17:46:12 GMT -6
and to the ones calling me out as far as sandbagging. rick denney I think someone was yanking your chain ;D
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Post by a1000rr on Mar 22, 2007 22:52:23 GMT -6
yeah rick i dont see where you could sandbag if you are out in the lead
i think you could have stopped got a drink and still won the race
if you have the lead and slow down to wait up for the others then take off again then i would say that is sandbagging
you didnt do that you just took off and won the race
congrats to you rick you looked good out there and it was good to see you out there again
good luck with the job
lee
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