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Post by cyclepop on Mar 6, 2007 5:20:19 GMT -6
I think we are all going to have one eventually. The manufactures will probably see to that! Like all RACE BIKES maintenance is the key, however the 4-stroke is a ton more than the 2-strokes!! This from the school of hard knocks - Change the oil frequently (every other ride) Change the oil filter frequently or replace with stainless filter Check the valves for proper clearance frequently Check the timing chain tension frequently Learn to ride the bike properly, these things loved to be short shifted - they hate the rev limiter Keep the air filter sealed and cleaned, dirt eats valves! Learn to shim valves, it get expensive having it done When they do break - There is some great aftermarket stuff to make these less vulnerable - Crower, Yoshi or Hot Cams Hot Rod Cranks & Bearing Kibblewhite, Pro Circuit or Yoshi valves and springs Find your self a good machinist, you can do some really trick stuff when it comes to port and polish making these bikes scream! The biggest downfall I see, is 4-strokes may push many folks out of the scene due to the costs.
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Post by DaddyFlea on Mar 6, 2007 9:34:21 GMT -6
Remember Curt, Flea was sponsored by Bargers and we could be riding one right now in fact it may have been cheaper than our Yamaha. By the time we bought the Yamaha, took it to Ft Worth, had it reworked, had all the modifications to make it run good, we might could have bought a 150 with the bigger engine and come out paying less money. Problem was I knew there was not a class for it and it was a 1st year bike.
I have now served the time I volunteered for as Race director. Jeff needs someone to step up and put on some races. Please step up and serve your time. You can run all the 150s you want in the 85 classes. Just remember when you deviate from AMA rules you run the risk of creating Liability for the track and create situations where our Club members could be disqualified from running classes at other tracks.
Every race you get questions such as "My boy is 15 but he is slow can he run the 7-11 class." You do this and that 15 year old knocks down a 8 year old rider and causes him injury, you and the track could be named in the suit that could follow. Lucily right now I only have one lawsuit pending and this one is in the 5th circuit court of appeals. I would like to have none pending for a while.
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Post by HyperFX on Mar 6, 2007 11:57:29 GMT -6
I have a 12 year old daughter that wants to begin racing like her older brother. The only problem I am having is finding the regs on what size bike she needs to be on. Some people say she can ride a 65 but then others say it will have to be an 85. Can someone please give me some clarification? Thanks a million. Above is the original post that started this thread. Wow. Even I, a well practiced thread hijacker, can see this thread has turned way too many corners and is now in the gutter. Get Back On Topic, Please.
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Post by a1000rr on Mar 6, 2007 21:04:40 GMT -6
I have a 12 year old daughter that wants to begin racing like her older brother. The only problem I am having is finding the regs on what size bike she needs to be on. Some people say she can ride a 65 but then others say it will have to be an 85. Can someone please give me some clarification? Thanks a million. Above is the original post that started this thread. Wow. Even I, a well practiced thread hijacker, can see this thread has turned way too many corners and is now in the gutter. Get Back On Topic, Please. i believe the topic was stretched a little bit too but the thing is if she is going to stay with riding and wanting to race then i believe the 150 would be a good starter bike i got to ride the 150 and the 4stroke is the future and if she started on a 2 stroke there could be problems being a beg (they are too twitchy and could make a beg crash real easy ) that is just my opinion
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Post by crf26 on Mar 7, 2007 6:47:16 GMT -6
amen sister!!!
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Post by a1000rr on Mar 8, 2007 1:41:33 GMT -6
i was also wondering if this was still what the waco eagles still inforce
The following classes are normal classes run at each Waco Eagles Motocross event. Each race may be a little different depending on turn out and some classes may be combined. Please note the Powder Puff events are intended for Female riders only. The promoter will determine the order of these classes on the day of the race. The riders age as of January 1 will determine which class that rider may participate for the entire year. Practice is held just before each race.
50 cc 4-6 Year olds 50cc 7-9 Year olds 50cc Open (Depends on Promoter) 50cc Powder Puff 65cc 7-9 65cc Open 85cc 7-11 Year olds 85cc 12-15 Year olds 85cc Powder Puff Big Bike Beginner 1 Big Bike Beginner 2 Big Bike Open Novice Quad Vet A Vet B
Minor modifications are allowed on all bikes, but over bores in small bikes are not.
AMA membership is not required.
(Minor modifications are allowed on all bikes, but over bores in small bikes are not.) this is what i really wanted to know if the overbore is still not allowed because i think there are overbores and if you dont let the 150s run with the 85s then you should make the overbores not be in the same classes with the stock bores and make the 150s run with the overbores
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Post by tcollier on Mar 8, 2007 8:33:39 GMT -6
Dang Lee, do you ever sleep!!
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Post by cyclepop on Mar 8, 2007 11:03:18 GMT -6
I think it is an age thing, I always see some of the vets lurking around here at odd hours, including me!
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Post by DaddyFlea on Mar 8, 2007 11:52:27 GMT -6
I think it depends on the Over Bore. Under AMA rules everything but 50s unless specified is a mod class and each class has acceptable mods including over bores. These days over bores are not practical because of the coatings on the jugs. I have no idea what class you are trying to run but I would think that the 60 & 90cc kits on 50s would be illegal. In 85s the rules state up to 125cc on 4 strokes plus an over bore and I am not sure what size on a 2 stroke but I am pretty sure it is 85cc. It is a very expensive and costly to over bore almost any 2 stroke because you must deal with Nycosil coating. The Flea has one of the fastest bikes out there and it will not meet stock because of the Handguards and Levers only. They may have made levers legal now too but every thing else is stock except the Holeshot device, levers, Handguards, Graphics, and now the Seat.
The reason the 150 causes problems is that it is purely designed as a Race Bike and exceeded the rules by 25cc in stock form. I think everyone will agree that the Kids go too fast as it is now without increasing the speed and weight of their bikes. There has to be some sort of limits and the limit in the 85cc class for a 4 stroke was set at 125cc several years ago. If you allow 150s which are legal for Women then the first really fast kid that gets one will then force the other parents to either buy two bikes and compete at Waco on the 150 and all other AMA tracks on a 85 or give up 85s at Waco. Next year I am sure the rules will change. I am not sure where they will go but they will change. I am hoping the 125 limit will stay so the true 85 will not disappear as the 125s did with the 250f taking over. I also hope that 250fs are barred from the 125 class so that the true 125s will come back. I do not want my Flea to advance straight to a 250f and right now that is his only option.
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Post by a1000rr on Mar 9, 2007 17:36:34 GMT -6
yeah it has been crazy here lately i have been working on my bathroom till like 12 am or so and then cking my emails after that so it takes me a while to wind down
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Post by a1000rr on Mar 9, 2007 17:43:23 GMT -6
now Danny it says (Minor modifications are allowed on all bikes, but over bores in small bikes are not.)
if your 85 has an over bore then there should be another class for them to be in or it isnt fare to the others
and that way the 150s could run in that class and there shouldnt be any problems
remember they are just kids and if they are out there it is only for 1 reason and it is to have fun
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